Q.
What is the significance of knowledge in the current scenario? 21st
century is a century of knowledge. Words like knowledge society, knowledge
economy and knowledge markets are becoming common words. Take the word knowledge
economy. What does it mean? It means that conventional wisdom where were always
looked at land labour and capital as key ingredients is giving way to knowledge.
If I buy Microsoft, 90% it is for its knowledge only 10 % for material. If I buy
steel 90% for material, for nickel, for chromium etc. 10% for knowledge,
technology etc. From agriculture and industrial economy, we have moved into
information and knowledge economy. You
will find that countries like OECD group, 50% of GDP is based on
production and distribution of knowledge. In the 19th century, it
used to be Rockefeller, in the 20th century, for quite some time, it
was Sultan of Brunei. Both were linked with oil. That place was taken over by
Bill Gates, who is a knowledge worker. Q.
Does knowledge play an equal role in India as well? It
is not only internationally that this change has taken place; it is also within
India that this change is apparent. In
the list of top hundred companies based on market capitalization, Narayanamurthy
is in the top five. Someone who was not born in families of Tatas or Birlas, and
someone who started with a meager investment, now occupies such a position due
to knowledge economy. When we look at words like trade related aspects of
intellectual property systems, you will find some interesting in this. Q.
What is the kind of speed knowledge is growing with? Knowledge
is becoming dominant, but it is not knowledge per se, it is usable knowledge.
That, which is protected or protect-able, that is becoming important. Knowledge
is exploring, it is doubling up. Whatever knowledge we had until the year 2000,
equal amount of knowledge will be generated in the next ten years. Walter
Gilbert, noble laureate used to say sometime ago, we used to talk about gene of
the year, little while ago we started talking about gene of the month, and now
perhaps we will talk about gene of the day. It is not the generation of
knowledgeit is the dissemination of knowledge that is taking place at a
fantastic rate. In one minute 2 million e-mail
messages will be sent. In 24 hours 37 million people around the world would have
logged on to the net. So this the amazing speed at which things are moving.
Q.
Is the distribution and utilization of knowledge equal for all? While
knowledge is getting generated at this pace, this globe of 6 billion is growing
and producing huge asymmetries in terms of production and distribution of
knowledge. For example, General Motors R&D budget is 8 billion dollars while
entire Indias R&D budget is less than 3 billion dollars. You will also
find that the private sector involvement in generating this knowledge is huge to
the tune of 60%-65% in OECD countries. They are worried about profits; maximum
returns, giving values to their shareholders. Very rarely does one think about
giving value to the society. When maximization of profits becomes the key driver
the knowledge production activity also shifts. Eg: a drug co why would they work
on Malaria? They would work on diseases giving them profits. Therefore you have
an asymmetry. In 1998 70 billion $ were spent on healthcare hardly any part was
spent on diseases for the poor. Knowledge asymmetries are where very few are
spending large sums, when new knowledge is not getting generated for the poor,
and that is a challenge that we have to meet. OECD
countries have 40 times more PCs, 110 more mobile phones and 1600 more Internet
connections. How many of you know that 1 out of 2 persons have never used a
telephone? While the number telephones in the Manhattan city alone are more than
the number of telephones in the entire Africa. A very famous leader of industry
said that mundane product can be made by anyone, anywhere but when this product
has knowledge, that is propriety it is dynamite and we protect it all costs with
care. Q.
What do you think would be the future scenario vis-a-vis knowledge, and
how does it compare with the current situation? The
new wars are not going thermo nuclear wars, but will be based on propriety
knowledge. Now the concern comes in that what will happen to the poor. People
feel that knowledge should be accessible to everybody, but the inventor feels
that he should get returns. The society says to the patent holder that please
disclose the knowledge to us, so in return to disclosing this knowledge, the
patent holder expects something for a limited period of time. Society in return
provides him that incentive. The burning question seems to be balancing the
interest of the inventor and that of the society When
one talks about trade related issues and trade related intellectual property
systems, the battle is between those who are not equal economically and
institutionally. TRIPS (Trade related aspects of Intellectual Property Rights)
like any other WTO agreement is an agreement based on the legal framework. When
it comes to generation of new knowledge, are all the countries similarly placed?
The answer is no. There are countries with Scientific advancement but
economically not much developed. Issue is how do we bridge these asymmetries?
When it comes to this North South understanding in terms of knowledge the TRIPS
agreement says that knowledge should be transferred. But when it comes to actual
technology transfer, it is rarely made. There
is another conflict that developing countries have. For example, India is
described as a rich county where poor people live. What is our richness? It is
bio diversity, traditional knowledge, traditional wisdom etc. The unfortunate
part is that we have not been able to convert this wisdom to wealth. Therefore
suddenly one finds that knowledge that was ours starts getting protected in the
western world.
Dr. R.
A. Mashelkar is presently the Director General of Council of Scientific and
Industrial Research (CSIR). A